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  • 7 Jul 2021 11:29 AM
    Message # 10734989
    Bruce Hawley (Administrator)

    CHS Facebook Group question from Sonja Barta: Does anyone know the time frame for these railroad cars on Ringling?

    Last modified: 7 Jul 2021 11:33 AM | Bruce Hawley (Administrator)
  • 7 Jul 2021 1:04 PM
    Reply # 10735261 on 10734989
    Bruce Hawley (Administrator)

    Response from PJ. Holmes: These are 4 elephant cars and an ex-immigrant car used by the elephant crew. Photo from Charles Tipton collection in the Helena History Society collection. Date is Sept 3rd, 1902 in Helena Montana.

    Last modified: 7 Jul 2021 1:50 PM | Bruce Hawley (Administrator)
  • 23 Oct 2021 8:56 AM
    Reply # 11811163 on 10734989
    Anonymous

    A 1902 Ringling inventory lists the four elephant cars, , as seen in the 1902 Helena photograph, for 24 elephants, and a separate car for camels.  Each 45 to 50 foot car probably housed and conveyed a maximum of six pachyderms and a 60-footer could handle eight.  These numbers come from my 1983-1984 Bandwagon paper on circus train development.    

    There is one longer (newer?) car to the left in the string and three shorter (older?) on the right.  That suggests a capacity of 26 beasts.  Given there were just 24 with it in 1902, that means there was excess space. 

    The man door cut into the left of the second car indicates where the dormitory space was located.  Such access doors can be seen in other wooden elephant cars into the 1920s.  So, eight beasts rode in the first car; four and the handlers in the second; with six in each of the right pair.

    There's no reference to a dedicated sleeper for the Ringling elephant men in any record I've seen, or for any other show I've investigated.  The show also had no box car or box car sleeper, as known to have been part of other show trains.  The fifth car also bears no title or markings of being a show car.  It might be an immigrant car, but I would favor an identification as something else, given the paucity of windows.  It could just as well be a system work crew or maintenance of way car.

    Shows didn't lease extra cars or have one loaned by a system railroad unless a vehicle had been damaged and a substitute required.  The fifth car lacked any capacity to house elephants and the car with an identifiable dormitory space is in use; no explanation is within the image.  

    Based on these thoughts, I think it's more rational to conclude that it was completely incidental that a fifth car was coupled to the four bona fide Ringling elephant cars at Helena in September 1902.

  • 25 Oct 2021 10:57 AM
    Reply # 11913426 on 10734989
    Anonymous

    There is a better image of a c1910 Ringling elephant car with a handler dormitory space on page 56 of Trains of the Circus 1872-1956, page 56.  In addition to the man door, it has been augmented with multiple windows at nominal eye level and ventilation ports at the roof line.

    Further information has been discovered about the 1902 Ringling elephant cars and a mishap involving them.  While the train section including them passed from the August 16 engagement at North Yakima, WA, to Portland, OR, for the August 18-19 engagement, the elephant cars were derailed and overturned.  This Sunday run accident took place in the bay-side railroad yard at Tacoma, WA.  A few of the handlers were injured, but there were no losses of employees or animals.  This knowledge was gained from the Yakima Herald of August 19, 1902.

    A person with a camera was traveling with the show and photographed the damage to one of the cars on August 17.  It had damage to both the roof, which was partially torn off, and especially the sheathed sidewall construction.  The latter had several splits and the truss framing was damaged to the extent that the sidewall bowed out at the doors, and in and out at other locations. 

    As commonly happened, the car was set out in a yard for repairs and apparently the work was accomplished with some speed.  Another view was labeled "Picked up ___," the date or other information obliterated.  The Helena image of the elephant cars was made on September 3, just sixteen days later.  No remnant of the destruction can be seen.  Railroads were adept at repairing wooden cars, a much easier proposition that steel-framed vehicles.  If the railroad was negligent in causing the derailment and damage, they also bore the cost of the repairs.

    No numbers can be discerned on the Ringling elephant cars, so specific identification is impossible.  At best, the photographed car was one of the three shorter cars, with three vents below the roof line, and lacked the telltale man door identifying it as the dormitory vehicle.



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